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Spider
Aug 30, 2006 7:04:50 GMT 9.5
Post by helen on Aug 30, 2006 7:04:50 GMT 9.5
Thanks for explaining that Morgause. I understand now. I'm a bit slow on the uptake and it was well after midnight when the film finished, so my brain wasn't functioning properly! I thought Miranda was wonderful in this film. I liked how she played two completely different characters in the same film. It's possibly my favourite performance of hers. The thing I love most about Miranda is how she plays completely different characters in every film she does. She's not afraid to take risks with the characters she plays. It annoys me when actors play virtually the same role every time. Did she win any awards for Spider? She certainly deserved every award going. Sorry for rambling on.
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Spider
Aug 30, 2006 7:23:02 GMT 9.5
Post by Morgause on Aug 30, 2006 7:23:02 GMT 9.5
You are welcome! I'm happy because you understand what I wrote, it was a little bit confusing... And Rita, thank you for the compliment. Your theory about the Id, Ego and Super-Ego is very interesting too! I never thought about it before, but is possible either!
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Spider
Aug 30, 2006 9:31:16 GMT 9.5
Post by Kathleen on Aug 30, 2006 9:31:16 GMT 9.5
I never really considered Mab or Lady Van Tassel to be evil...but I do sometimes wish she would play more happy roles.
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Spider
Aug 31, 2006 18:05:30 GMT 9.5
Post by Anne Mette on Aug 31, 2006 18:05:30 GMT 9.5
All Miranda's roled are happy roles, I mean, they make you happy don't they???
LMAO
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Spider
Sept 1, 2006 8:50:12 GMT 9.5
Post by Morgause on Sept 1, 2006 8:50:12 GMT 9.5
Yes, watching her makes anyone happy! Even when she is such a repulsive woman as Yvonne Wilkinson!
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Spider
Sept 1, 2006 12:34:02 GMT 9.5
Post by Kathleen on Sept 1, 2006 12:34:02 GMT 9.5
I just finished watching Spider all the way through and even though I had read everything all of you said...and therefore knew what to expect...I was still a little confused at the end...but now reading what all of you said again has cleared it up for me.
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Spider
Sept 1, 2006 15:11:30 GMT 9.5
Post by Kathleen on Sept 1, 2006 15:11:30 GMT 9.5
Question : is Yvonne Wilkinson, the real Yvonne before it's Miranda...is she the older Mrs. Wilkinson, before Miranda? Otherwise, I'm not completely getting why he pictured Miranda as her other than that she was in control of him at the house there like she was as his new mother.
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Spider
Sept 1, 2006 17:23:15 GMT 9.5
Post by Rita, Oh Yes! on Sept 1, 2006 17:23:15 GMT 9.5
I think that wqas basically it. That everyone he wanted to demonise 'became' Yvonne.
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Spider
Sept 2, 2006 0:52:20 GMT 9.5
Post by Incapability on Sept 2, 2006 0:52:20 GMT 9.5
I think so too. She was pushing him around and he was angry with her and so she turned into his nemesis. I find it strange that in the audio-commentary the director said that the movie was not about the Oedipus-complex, when there are so many scenes featuring exactly that, for example the scene under the bridge, where Spider turns away from Yvonne, instead of his father.
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Spider
Sept 2, 2006 6:27:05 GMT 9.5
Post by Morgause on Sept 2, 2006 6:27:05 GMT 9.5
Well the main plot isn't about the Oedipus complex, is about the schizophrenia but it have elements of Oedipus complex, no doubts about it. And about Mrs Wilkinson, the landlady, I don't think she was the prostitute in the pub because the name Yvonne Wilkinson is probably another hallucination of Spider, we never knew the name of the real prostitute.
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Spider
Sept 2, 2006 11:27:43 GMT 9.5
Post by Kathleen on Sept 2, 2006 11:27:43 GMT 9.5
It's interesting that in the special features the director guy mentions how the ending might not be the actual story and that his mother might have left him and he therefore killed her off in his mind. It seems to make sense with that scene where his mother says how the spider leaves her eggs once her job is done and he says " and then she dies ". All of this is confusing me even more...I guess we'll never be able to fully understand it.
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Spider
Sept 3, 2006 6:04:45 GMT 9.5
Post by himiko on Sept 3, 2006 6:04:45 GMT 9.5
I actually really enjoyed the film, and it's not usually the sort of thing I like, so yay for that.
I agree with the idea that Spider was in love with his mother, and that when she began to act more sexual, and spend more time with his father, he created this woman who kills his mother and supplants her, which he bases on the prostitute in the bar- whom he sees as "bad". I also think that, when he kills his mother, and sees his mothers body rather than Yvonne's, he perhaps believes that Yvonne has somehow "escaped" death, and returns to haunt him in the form of Mrs Wilkinson. It's just an idea, and probably very off the mark, but there you go.
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Spider
Sept 3, 2006 6:19:16 GMT 9.5
Post by Kathleen on Sept 3, 2006 6:19:16 GMT 9.5
I think when he sees his mothers body at the end Mrs. Wilkinson goes back to lynn redgrave because he realizes it wasn't Yvonne...I think that's what happens anyway...not positive.
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Spider
Sept 4, 2006 2:48:50 GMT 9.5
Post by Incapability on Sept 4, 2006 2:48:50 GMT 9.5
I think that when his mother was dead she was just that again:his mother. she was no longer a sexual being, Yvonne was gone.
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Spider
Sept 4, 2006 4:01:50 GMT 9.5
Post by Morgause on Sept 4, 2006 4:01:50 GMT 9.5
And his web of false memories ended...
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